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407 Irish Rose 12/15/08 3:32:50 pm reply quote 0
Just back from reading comments about the Jerusalem convention over at Jihadwatch, and I'm doing another slow effing burn.
Just when I think that people like Geller, and Spencer and the various LGF haters that they embrace (solely to poke their fingers in Charles' eye) could not become more base, disgusting and disrespectful, I find out that I'm wrong.
I grieve for Charles. He is such a decent man who has done so much for the anti-jihad movement... how much more of this libelous crap should he have to take?
427 Irish Rose 12/15/08 3:37:05 pm reply quote -1
Posted by: km at December 15, 2008 10:06 AM, who did a crosspost between LGF2 and Jihadwatch:
Most personally satisfying moment of the day:
Getting a hug from Pamella, having Robert sign my copy of Onward Muslim soldiers, and Standing on the balcony of the center with Pamella and Robert during lunch, decrying the damage LGF and CJ has done to the antijihad movement.
I think the whole tone of the meeting would have had the LGF/CJ sycophants spitting nails.
Only one speaker (D Pipes), made any reference to radical Islam being the problem, his talk was the weakest and suffered some serious dissonance in my mind. The rest were firmly ensconced in the Islam is the problem camp and the solution is strong national identity and reaffirming cultural identity and history and using this to emphasize the inferiority of islamic culture.
486 Sharmuta 12/15/08 3:48:12 pm reply quote 0
IrishRose- I had a person tell me months and months ago they could not read the comment section at Jihad Watch because of the vile, hateful, bigoted comments there. It has not gotten any better.
Additionally- these are the people robert has surrounded himself with blog-wise. I used to think he didn't have the time to properly moderate his blog, but after seeing him pop up to make comments at other two-bit blogs, that excuse no longer holds sway in my mind.
He doesn't clean up the trash because he doesn't see the filth or worse. He agrees with it. Either way- it doesn't speak well for his judgment.
This is all besides what he's done to Charles. Include his treatment of Charles into the mix, and you have one unattractive jerk on your hands.
Wow, I hadn't realized that the growing rift included Robert Spencer and Jihad Watch, but the "lizard army" have drawn their battle lines it would seem:
494 Walter L. Newton 12/15/08 3:50:04 pm reply quote
By the way, did anyone ever see this?
"Robert, can you answer one simple question for me. This would help a lot in deciding what is really going on here. Which European political parties do you UNCONDITIONALLY condemn because of their proven ties to racist nationalism?" (Walter L. Newton email to Robert Spencer sent on Friday, November 07, 2008 1:16 PM)
And his answer...
"Actually, I am fighting jihad, and have no interest in or intention to investigate these groups. Insofar as they are fighting jihad, I applaud them. Insofar as they are doing anything else, my endorsement is not implied." (Robert Spencer email answer to Walter L. Newton sent on Sat 11/8/2008 10:39 AM)
Oops. I'm sorry, have I posted this before?
503 Sharmuta 12/15/08 3:52:51 pm reply quote 0
re: #493 Thanos
He sees the filth, but he's got books to sell and a closing window of opportunity.
Hence my use of the words "or worse".
513 Sharmuta 12/15/08 3:56:07 pm reply quote 1
It has become clear to me that pamela, robert, gov and their ilk are not the "counter-jihad" or "anti-jihad" movement.
They are the anti-islam movement.
I believe there's a distinction.
535 Irish Rose 12/15/08 4:02:30 pm reply quote 0
re: #513 Sharmuta
It has become clear to me that pamela, robert, gov and their ilk are not the "counter-jihad" or "anti-jihad" movement.
They are the anti-islam movement.
I believe there's a distinction.
There certainly is.
Charles knows what it is, and it's why he has to endure petty asswipes standing together on a dingy balcony half a world away, slandering him behind his back and doing everything they collectively can to minimize his contributions and discredit his work.
I can't believe that these are people that I actuallly used to respect.... what the hell was I thinking?
Wow, the hatred really is overflowing. What on Earth did Robert Spencer write over at Jihad Watch to bring on this slew of insults? Actually, he just wrote up a straight forward post on the conference along with the speech given there by Geert Wilders. Over-reactive LGFers? It would appear so.....regardless of Spencer's write-up there are pro-Charles Johnson posters in the comments as well as some rabid little bigots which is all the more the pity as Robert Spencer has told me himself that he doesn't go to the comments sections at his sites:
....By the time we're ready to outlaw Islam according to jdamn's formula, there will probably be 10 to 20 million Muslims in the US. Those measures would certainly help, but no way will they prevent that number of Muslims from networking and planning and executing attacks, especially since their militant anger will be jacked up a few notches by that time.
These half-assed measures are just putting off the inevitable: Deport them all. And they will make that inevitable solution much more difficult, messier, and probably bloodier than it needs to be.
Posted by: DenverRodeo [TypeKey Profile Page] at December 15, 2008 11:03 PM
I thought we were talking about after mass deportation.
Posted by: jdamn [TypeKey Profile Page] at December 15, 2008 11:41 PM
"I thought we were talking about after mass deportation."
"When I speak of internment I do so as a second-chance measure, after Islam has been banned" -- you then seemed to define "banned" as criminalizing behavior, not actually kicking Muslims out.
Posted by: DenverRodeo [TypeKey Profile Page] at December 16, 2008 1:03 AM
Robert Spencer, who is invariably polite in his emails to me, is more than welcome to visit and comment as I've already invited him. I had not posted on Jihad Watch prior to this since it doesn't usually fit into the "soap opera" category, but the lizards have now dragged it in. The cracks show no sign of being shored up anytime soon and this "Facing Jihad" conference has only further fractured the "counter-jihadosphere".
The crux of the issue really lies in the comments I posted from Jihad Watch. These commenters, much like those at Gates of Vienna, are still advocating "mass deportation" and the outlawing of Islam. Charles Johnson is something of a buffoon but he at least realizes the ramifications of these ideas (as does Pastorius and others at the Infidel Bloggers Alliance). Spencer claims to not advocate these either and I take him at his word on that one. Nevertheless, the comments at his sites are on the disturbing side of this entire issue.
Update: Robert Spencer was duly disturbed by the comments at his site to leave his own for the "mass deportation" advocates and such for which I applaud him:
A few brief observations:
1. I believe in republican government as it was delineated in the U.S. Constitution. I don't believe that we must or should discard the principles on which this nation was founded in order to fight this threat.
This is a fight for free societies, against those who oppose freedom of speech, freedom of conscience, the equality of rights before the law, etc. etc. If we discard those things to defend ourselves, what's the point?
As far as Hugh's point goes, I myself don't believe that the principle of equal treatment before the law will lead or need lead to utter relativism and the destruction of all useful distinctions among ideas.
2. Internment and mass deportation? No. Those who are advocating such things here do not reflect my views or the views of Jihad Watch. In my book Stealth Jihad I call for a number of measures that can and should be taken, measures that are in line with our Constitutional government, and which don't come within miles of such steps. If those measures could ever be implemented, harsher steps such as those envisioned in this thread would most likely become unnecessary.
3. Bill Warner, quoted above, is not the insightful analyst of Political Islam, but a "private investigator" in Florida who has not hesitated to republish outlandish and libelous fabrications in connection with these issues. What he says should be examined critically and carefully, and the sources checked. I have spent some time doing just this this morning, and have found his allegations about several matters to be rather spectacularly false. Caveat emptor.
Robert Spencer
Posted by: jihadwatch [TypeKey Profile Page] at December 16, 2008 1:37 PM
Let's see if the lizards at least stop calling him a Nazi or if they'll try to continue the soap opera.
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"513 Sharmuta
It has become clear to me that pamela, robert, gov and their ilk are not the "counter-jihad" or "anti-jihad" movement.
They are the anti-islam movement.
I believe there's a distinction.
I think my hypocrisy meter just exploded.
Well yeah, and Sharmuta voted for the birth certificate business before she voted against it too. She's one for the hypocrisy meter explosions on a daily basis if we cared enough to check.
What'd you think of Spencer's comment though?
Sphinx, notice how Sharmuta puts "counter-jihad" and "anti-jihad" in scare quotes? And now she's posing as the defender of Islam against the "anti-islam movement" LOL! Same with Killgore Trout. At least twice now he's declared the counterjihad movement to be "over". And those two are CJ's chief thought-enforcers at LGF, his vice-fuhrers if you will, so their statements carry a lot of weight and portend a major ideological shift to come over there.
Therefore I think it's time for you, Lex and the rest of the LGF Watch team to declare victory in this blog war. Think about it, Charles and his remaining fart-catchers in comments are coming around to your point of view. Here's a partial list of CJ's former allies who are now denounced vociferously on a regular basis over there:
Atlas Shrugs
Gates of Vienna
Brussels Journal
Diana West
Fjordman
Richard Miniter
Bat Ye'or
Oriana Falacci
Andrew Bostom
Robert Spencer
and now Geert Wilders
I'm going to take a guess and say that you were never particularly enamored with any of them. So you were right and Charles was wrong all along. I think that you should loudly remind him of this fact, that maybe his covert reading of LGF Watch over the years has convinced him of the error of his ways. Tell him that if he's willing to ban commenters who blaspheme Islam or call for the nuking of Mecca or ethnic cleansing of the West Bank, something even an opponent of Muslim immigration like me wouldn't do, that you guys are willing to bury the hatchet and sit around the campfire with the lizards singing "Kumbaya".
:)
No, to be honest it was the lizards I was never particularly fond of. LGF was just too hard to keep up with and the chat room was always just hunting talk.
Honestly, I am in emails on occasion with Spencer and truly cannot dislike the man. I sometimes lament the loss of friendship with Pamela also, but just can't reconcile the Pamela I was friends with with what she posts. I won't lie and say I was never on that side of things. I just atone for it now.
You didn't mention the Infidel Bloggers Alliance, still opposing those in your list and somewhat allied with Charles. Aspects like that keep the soap opera going a bit, but you're right in that LGF is becoming pretty irrelevant generally.
You know Jeppo, that's a rather good point :)
Unfortunately though, I think Charles would rather follow a diet of his own socks for a month than admit that we were right..
The Nancy has surrounded himself so long with sycophants like sharmuta and ny nana, that he doesn't really understand the anti-jihad movement. He's retreated into his pre-9/11 politically correct namby-pamby attitudes.
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